Ep189 Damon Lembi - Learning is Critical in a Fast-Changing Business World

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Damon Lembi
the rapid pace of technology and everything that's going on in the world, Mike, it's never moved faster.

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Damon Lembi
And in order to stay ahead, you need to be able to learn and adapt and grow.

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Damon Lembi
learning agility is key. Being able to shift with the times and not have a fixed mindset.

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Mike O'Neill
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Mike O'Neill
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Mike O'Neill
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Mike O'Neill
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Mike O'Neill
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Mike O'Neill
Let's get started.

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Mike O'Neill
Joining me is Damon Lembi. Damon is a bestselling author. Not once, but twice. And the host of The Learning All podcast. As the CEO of Learnit, a live learning platform that has helped over 2 million people upskill. Damon draws from his unique background as a former baseball player to bring fresh perspectives on leadership. His journey has equipped him with deep insights into what drives organizational growth, how exceptional leaders continue to learn, and why companies that prioritize learning they consistently outperform their competitors.

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Mike O'Neill
For all those reasons, you can see why Damon would be a perfect guest. Welcome, Damon.

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Damon Lembi
Mike, it's great to be here. Thanks for having me.

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Mike O'Neill
Damon. One thing I've learned about you. You have been doing what you do for quite some time. Let's just start with your business, and then we'll come back to you a little bit. Learned has been in business. About how long?

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Damon Lembi
It's hard to believe I'm dating myself for 29 years.

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Mike O'Neill
Imagine 30 some odd years ago and you were going to start this business. I don't know if you named it Learnit to begin with, but how has it morphed in a way that you just didn't see coming?

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Damon Lembi
Well, to start off with, I want to give credit where credit's due. And it was my dad, Walt Lamby, who came up with the idea and the name for it. I just happened to be lucky enough to start, right. Get done with college right when it was starting. So how has this business morphed over the years? Tremendously.

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Damon Lembi
So we started off with doing in-person computer training with, you know, manuals and everything like that. And here we are 29 years later, doing much shorter bite sized learning and really focusing a lot on. I hate using the word soft skills, but, a lot of management and leadership skills, and we still do the, technical skills as well, but much heavier emphasis on the leadership and management skills.

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Mike O'Neill
Damon, in 29 years, if you were to step back and look at not only how technology has changed, but what the expectations are of leaders, what do leaders have to be able to do today that maybe they did not have to do 30 years ago?

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Damon Lembi
Well, that's a that's a great question. And I think one of the main things that leaders have to deal with today, more so than back then, is, is, first of all, there's multiple generations in the workforce. Gen Z and also with Gen Z being the newest one. Also, the hybrid work, which I think is much, much different than, than it was before where everybody would be in person and collaborating together.

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Damon Lembi
Now it's there's the hybrid environment or remote work only. And so leaders need to be a lot more mindful about that. They need to be able to incorporate the different ways that people work and there's definitely a lot less Mike top down leadership than there was, I'd say, 30 years ago.

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Mike O'Neill
You know, we're recording this on a platform called zoom. And I remember I actually got a subscription to zoom in the early part of the year that Covid hit. And I don't know what I was doing. I just said, let me try this out. So I started saying, hey, I've got this new platform called zoom. You want to try it?

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Mike O'Neill
They had never heard of zoom. Now it's it's what we do and how we do it. Let's talk a little bit about how the skills that you tried to impart. You mentioned the soft skills aspect.

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Damon Lembi
What is it about.

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Mike O'Neill
The soft skills that has become so critical for leaders to be successful?

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Damon Lembi
And Mike, just talking about zoom a little bit, you know, Learnit is actually I think we're kind of at the forefront of it. We were doing virtual led training all the way back in like 2012, mostly on the on the technology side. And so that was one of the ways we, we try to stay ahead of the curve was to be able to do virtual instructor led training as well.

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Damon Lembi
Now, going back to your question about why soft skills are so important now more than ever, especially with generative AI taking over a lot of the tasks that that, teams and individuals are doing, I think soft skills are absolutely critical. And these are skills like, adaptability, creativity, innovation, the human skills that need to go alongside all the technology that's being embedded in today's world.

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Damon Lembi
You know, we.

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Mike O'Neill
Talked a little bit about how the world has changed. We have multiple generations in the workplace that from a technology standpoint, you all were already embracing, more leading edge technology platforms, which enabled the delivery. Learnit. I love the name. Learnit. A person has not gone to your website and they type in. What are they going to find when they land on your website?

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Damon Lembi
I would say how learned helps clients the most is, first of all, we do all B2B training. You know, not a lot of career changers, even though they are welcome. Companies turn to us when they're looking to upskill new managers. Maybe somebody goes from being an individual contributor to managing for the first time. And Mike, I'm sure you've talked about this on your show so many times.

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Damon Lembi
What happens if somebody's got a bad boss? People tend to leave. So we do a lot of work around that. We also do a lot of work with helping organizations communicate better. And, I think that's super important in today's day and age. Like we talked about the hybrid work. So you're going to find a lot of content around those types of subjects as well.

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Damon Lembi
As, you know, in today's day and age, people are still wanting to learn how to use Excel super efficiently. So there's there's a wide range of content, but, mostly around how do we help managers become better managers?

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Mike O'Neill
You know, in my intro, I made reference to the fact that you've developed kind of an understanding you and your team there of, you know, what drives organizational growth and how exceptional leaders continue to learn. Why is that so important in your opinion?

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Damon Lembi
What I think is really important, and this is some of the work that we we really work with our clients on, is to create learning cultures, right? Where you get where where companies understand leadership and all starts with leadership, C-level, that learning, having a learning organization is critical in today's day and age because the rapid pace of technology and everything that's going on in the world, Mike, it's never moved faster.

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Damon Lembi
And in order to stay ahead, you need to be able to learn and adapt and grow. And that's why I really think that learning agility is key. Being able to shift with the times and not have a fixed mindset. Like here's how we've always done things and this is the way we're going to continue to do it. Because if organizations and individuals within the organization fall in that trap, you're going to be left behind.

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Damon Lembi
So it's critical to just build that muscle, for learning and learning to adapt and grow with the changing times.

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Mike O'Neill
You know, we've been talking thus far about your business and how you help your clients. Can we talk about you as a as a business leader of your own business over these 29 books in 30 years? In what ways have you found being a leader that much more challenging, leading your own company such that you do as a team?

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Mike O'Neill
Walk the talk.

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Damon Lembi
I look back over the 29 years, you know, I took over as CEO, learned probably three years into the role, into being open. I started off as a receptionist and I kind of worked my way through, and I've done everything from sales to teach classes. And I think that that's helpful because you, you learn empathy for for people in those roles, you know?

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Damon Lembi
But my leadership has drastically evolved and changed over the years, almost to the point where it's almost embarrassing going back, thinking about how you back in the day, I get very defensive, and I kind of felt like I had all the answers. And I was this, you know, genius 26 year old. And I hit a big roadmap back in 2001 when the market fell apart.

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Damon Lembi
And that's when I really realized, hey, I need help. I don't have all the answers. And so one of the things that I think, like, I've evolved over the years is learning how to be more humble. Learning how to put your team first and that you can't do it on your own. And you have to surround yourself with great talent.

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Damon Lembi
And also the importance of learning how to how to delegate, how to be able to to not be stuck working in your business like were you on a roll up the sleeves and, and, a lot of times you want to play the hero and do everything yourself. Well, then you become the bottleneck for your organization and being able to trust your team, give them clear direction and when through them is the only way.

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Damon Lembi
I think that you can evolve and be successful as an organization.

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Mike O'Neill
Now, Danny, you may have already spoke to this question. It's the only question that you know it's coming. And that is, could you reflect on a time where either you personally or your organization got stuck? And when that happened, what did it take to get unstuck?

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Damon Lembi
Well, I knew this question was coming in and I've thought a lot about this. And honestly, for me, it's it's a much more personal question. And I eight years ago I decided to quit drinking. And, I never got in trouble for drinking, but, you know, growing up and working in the financial district in San Francisco, there was a lot of, you know, going out every day.

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Damon Lembi
And I really, you know, I got to be about 42 years old. I decided I've had enough of it. And I just I just felt kind of stuck. I felt stuck as a leader and as an individual. And by making that choice and giving up drinking, I've never felt better. And it's really helped me get unstuck and become really the leader I want.

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Damon Lembi
I feel like I've become a better leader. I feel like I've become a better husband and father, and it's one of the things that I've been most proud of. And for all of you out there and whether you know it's drinking or whether it's something else that's affecting your personal life. If you could take care of that, I think it carries over into the business world, and I'm super proud of what I've been able to accomplish by that.

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Damon Lembi
And I think it's really helped Learnit evolve and grow over the years, too. Being able to refocus that energy into becoming a better leader and just sharper.

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Mike O'Neill
Dana, I appreciate you sharing that. Being a personal example, you mentioned a few minutes ago about the importance of of humility. I've already had opportunity to spend some time with you. I pick up on that. I'm also sensing some transparency about you. Is that something that you try to do to be a more open and approachable.

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Damon Lembi
100%? I've always been of the opinion, Mike. You get what you get. You know. And and why try to be somebody else? Because especially as a leader, I think it's critical because your team trust is so important. And in order to get trust, you have to earn trust. And if if you're authentic and you are who you are and you're not afraid to admit that you make mistakes and that you can learn from those mistakes, I think that that's that's just the way to go.

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Damon Lembi
And that's just kind of how I've always been. You get what you get with me. I'm not going to try to be somebody that I'm not. And I think it's just so hard to keep up with, with all that. When you're when you're trying to fake who you are, you know, it takes too much energy. And I'm like you, confident in who I am as a person.

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Damon Lembi
I don't have all the answers. I want to surround myself with great people. And, I think it's super important. And Mike, transparency is also and is also critical in times like these where you're leading through uncertain times. I think it's important. It's as important as possible to be as transparent with your team. If you're if you're struggling, let's say your organization is struggling and your sales are down.

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Damon Lembi
You know, be as transparent as you can share with them, whether it's the sales numbers, you know what's going on. Because if you're not transparent with your team, they start making things up in their mind, right. And and typically what they make up in their mind, I find, is a lot worse than things actually are. But if you are transparent and say, hey, here's where we're struggling, here's where we messed our numbers and and you ask for ideas and help, it's amazing the ideas that come in and the innovation, because everybody knows where they're standing and whether it's from the front line or through throughout the organization, people come together.

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Damon Lembi
And to me, that's really the best way to get through difficult times is being transparent and open instead of trying to hide, hide things and people get nervous and and worried.

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Mike O'Neill
Rather be hitting the record button. You shared with me that you had listened to and had an episode or two, and if it was a more recent one, regular listeners would hear me make reference to the criticality of authenticity.

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Mike O'Neill
What is it about authenticity that's so hard for leaders to kind of come to terms with?

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Damon Lembi
I think that's a great question, and I see it a lot. And I think that leaders have a hard time coming to terms with authenticity, because sometimes maybe they don't. They they lack self-confidence, and they're concerned that their team members may not feel like they're qualified to be in the role that they're in. As a leader. And so for your listeners out there, if you get newly promoted into a role as manager or or even if you've been a leader for a long time, you're there because you've earned it, right?

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Damon Lembi
Somebody else has put you in a position and said, hey, David, you belong in this role, or Mike, you belong in this role. So no, it's not at this point. You don't have to prove anymore that you belong. Right. And so you don't have to e it's important to be vulnerable to say, hey, hey, you know what? I may not have all the answers, but say it with confidence.

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Damon Lembi
Like, hey, I belong. You know, you don't have to say I belong here, but say it in a way that your team knows that you're okay with being vulnerable, but also that you have you have their backs, and you're going to work together to figure things out. I see a lot of leaders, especially younger leaders, who try to come across as know it all.

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Damon Lembi
It's like they have it all figured out and you know that they that they're heroes. And that's super lax, authenticity. And people see right through that. And people don't want to get behind leaders who, people don't trust. It all comes back to trust again. You want your team to trust you and believe in you and just be yourself.

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Mike O'Neill
When you and I spoke prior to suicide. And you can come on the podcast, what drew me to you? There's a number of reasons, but obviously the thing that that you all focus on are the type of things that I try to come alongside and do the same. So I very much, appreciate what is it you're trying to do and the challenges that today's leader faces.

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Mike O'Neill
You know, we're talking about, you know, authenticity and we're talking about transparency. Are there any other qualities that you feel that might be important for us to talk about?

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Damon Lembi
I think that's one thing that's very important when it comes to being a leader is courage. You have to have courage, especially again in tough times. You got to have courage to make bold decisions as a leader. Your responsibility, I believe, is to put the best team on the field at all times. And sometimes that means making hard decisions.

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Damon Lembi
As you evolve as an organization, maybe the person who is your, director of operations was able to get you to where they're at. Maybe they're not the next the right person to get you to the next level. And so you need to be able to make a bold decision either if it means helping that person transition out or put them in a different role.

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Damon Lembi
So courage, having the courage to make tough decisions, having the courage to have hard conversations and having the courage to not get stuck with sunk cost fallacy. Sometimes you invest in something and it doesn't turn out the way it should, and you just gotta cut it off, right? You know? So I think courage is a super important trait that leaders need these days.

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Mike O'Neill
You know, we're talking about courage, maybe in the context of individual courage. Can you speak to courage as a a part of a culture, of an organization? Is that something that you ever looked at?

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Damon Lembi
Yeah, I think that courage, that's part of the culture. Again, I think this starts with, senior leadership. And what I mean by that is you want to surround yourself with a great team, smart, smart individuals who have the aptitude to learn and grow. And then you also need to give them the space to try things and be okay with failing.

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Damon Lembi
Right. So when I interview people, Mike, it's usually the second or third interview. One of the first things I, Thomas, if you're going to come on board and you're going to be on a railroad track and you just kind of do what it takes to get your job done and you're not going to take chances. I want you to have the courage to take chances.

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Damon Lembi
If you fail. I mean, this isn't heart surgery we're doing here. If you fail, that's going to be okay. We're going to learn from that and grow and get better. So have the courage to try things. And if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. But I really believe that the best way to learn and grow is to have the courage to try things and get comfortable with failure.

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Damon Lembi
So that's the kind of culture that we, you know, we have that Learnit and that I also work with our we want to work with our customers to have as well. Because, Mike, think about it from this perspective. If you hire some super sharp people, right, and and go getters and then you just put them in a box and give them the opportunity to do anything, why are you hiring them?

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Damon Lembi
You know, what do you you're going to lose out on such a wealth of talent and knowledge, and those individuals are going to end up leaving anyways. So give them the opportunity and the a safe space to try things and fail.

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Mike O'Neill
Then what might be a topic that you would wish I'd brought up that we hadn't had a chance to talk about?

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Damon Lembi
Let me think about that one. I would say again, the importance of having integrity when it comes to to leading. It kind of falls. And, and I bring that up because it kind of falls into the same line of, of being transparent and being authentic, integrity as a leader. And I'm not necessarily just talking about like, you know, doing something illegal or doing something wrong as a leader.

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Damon Lembi
If you're going to lead by example, if don't over promise and under produce, if you're going to say you're going to do something, get it done right. I think that's super important. And along with integrity comes putting your team first. Give them the wins. You know, don't put yourself out there. You know, making it all about yourself. Have integrity as a leader.

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Damon Lembi
And then put your team first and serve them. Support them. And in return that will motivate them to continue to grow.

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Mike O'Neill
They may I introduce you as having a sports background where you played baseball that recall correctly? I try not to go too far down the sports examples, but that is the why I name my business Bench builders, because I realized the criticality of the strength of your your bench. But in what ways has sports continue to inform you as a leader?

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Damon Lembi
So the shortest version of it is. Yes. I was a high school All-American in baseball. I got drafted by the Atlanta Braves, and I ended up going and playing for three Hall of Fame coaches. And Mike sports has formed outside of learning from my father. Sports is for my entire leadership. The way I go about my leadership. I played for some incredible coaches.

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Damon Lembi
And what like when I played for this guy, Andy Lopez at Pepperdine. He set the vision, moonshot vision of winning the College World Series, which Pepperdine did. Unfortunately, I left before. But having a moonshot moon set vision and crystal clear vision as leader, that's what I learned from sports. I also learned about the importance of accountability and collaboration, working as a team now, I've learned a lot from these great coaches.

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Damon Lembi
I've also learned, and it's something we just touched on a moment ago from terrible coaches, the ones who have put themselves first. I had this one coach where when things were going well, it was all about him and when things wouldn't go well that he would blame it on his team. And that was something that early on I realized that this is just I mean, it does it.

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Damon Lembi
It's demotivating and it's something that I will never forget. I mean, I could just think in my mind right now of a situation where he was doing just that, where he's blaming the team. And that's something that always stuck with me. So I've, I attribute a lot of what I've learned to what I like to call an athletic education.

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Damon Lembi
And it's hard to replace, the learnings that it's hard to substitute something better than an athletic education.

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Mike O'Neill
You mentioned that you were an All-American as a high schooler. That can really puff one up, could it not?

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Damon Lembi
Yeah. That was my glory days. Yes. But I feel like we get we go back there. No, no, my my wife's my wife. So, so tired of hearing about my goodness. But what happened was I was a high school American, right. And so I and then I go into college and, then for the first time in my career, everybody was as good as me.

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Damon Lembi
Everybody was, top of their game. And that's where I really experienced imposter syndrome for the first time. And it was kind of debilitating, right? It was kind of like, well, what do I do now? And, I really questioned my ability and it and it took the, the same coach, Andy Lopez, to sit me down and say, hey, Damon, we believe in your talent.

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Damon Lembi
But the problem is, you don't believe in your talent. You deserve to be here. But there's. We can't help you with that. You need to get out of your own head and just learn how to learn how to get confident and believe in yourself. And I wish that I could immediately say that I turned things around. I didn't, I left, but what?

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Damon Lembi
I ended up moving over to Arizona State. I kind of built this three step formula for overcoming imposter syndrome, which is work really hard, be deliberate on what you're doing. You know, it's easy to get sidetracked, but really focus in on what you're doing and then learn and let go. So in baseball, if I needed to become a better fielder, I took more ground balls than everybody else, and I really focused on it.

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Damon Lembi
And then when the game started, I didn't worry about if the ball is gonna be hit to me. I put in the work and I just did my best. And the same goes for business. You know, if you're if you're struggling with public speaking practice, work hard, practice when it's time to step on stage. Mike, stop worrying about the techniques and everything that goes along with it.

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Damon Lembi
Just give it your best. Because I think sometimes we're a lot of times we're too hard on ourselves. Yeah. You know, we're we're too hard on ourselves. Just know that you went out there and you gave it your best. And if you fall flat on your face, who cares? You know, learn from that experience and maybe give yourself a pat on the back that you actually went out there and stuck your knock out there, neck out there, and you had the courage to try because there's so many people out there who don't even have that courage right to do so.

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Damon Lembi
Right. They're going to sit in the background and make excuses. So I think that that's another thing that I really learned from baseball was, you know, get going out there and really trying and not being too hard on yourself and learning and growing your day.

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Mike O'Neill
David, we've had a conversation that's been pretty far ranging, but there's been some recurring themes. But if you want to take a moment and say, these are things I would like our viewers and listeners to have as takeaways, what might those be?

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Damon Lembi
So for you viewers and listeners out there, what I like to say is, look, if I can do it, you can do it. I've led a team for 30 years and I didn't get a fancy degree from, you know, MIT or Harvard, and that's okay if you did. Right. But at the end of the day, what I think we talked about today, Mike, and what I want to get across to, to your listeners is that leadership is all about the work you put into it, and it's always evolving.

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Damon Lembi
I like to say great leaders aren't born or made. They're constantly in the making. So if you put in the effort, if you're authentic, like we talked about, if you're transparent and you're not afraid to admit that you don't have all the answers, that's what I think takes to be super successful as a leader. And that is never finished.

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Damon Lembi
There's always more to learn and grow.

00:27:25:14 - 00:27:52:15
Mike O'Neill
As powerful recap Damian, before I wrap up, I've got a question for the leaders in the audience and that is why did people choose to follow your lead? Is it out of obligation or they truly believe in your vision? Leadership thrives on clarity and confidence. It's not just about holding authority, it's about creating practical solutions that drive real bottom line results.

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Mike O'Neill
I'm an executive coach. I help leaders achieve bottom line impact and become the kind of leaders that people want to follow. And bench builders. We provide personalized strategies using fortune five other insights to help you make meaningful progress towards your goals. So my challenge lead in a way that draws people to your vision, not out of obligation, but because they really are genuinely inspired.

00:28:19:08 - 00:28:36:22
Mike O'Neill
This is how you unlock your full leadership potential. I invite you to visit bench-builders.com to learn more about how we can support your leadership journey. Damian, as expected, your insights have been very, very invaluable. Thank you for joining us.

00:28:36:24 - 00:28:38:17
Damon Lembi
Thanks for having me here, Mike.

00:28:38:19 - 00:28:45:09
Mike O'Neill
Now, if listeners want to engage with you or have questions, how can they reach out to you?

00:28:45:11 - 00:29:06:09
Damon Lembi
Well, first of all, I hope they check out our podcast, the Learnit All podcast. And that with me on LinkedIn. I'm I'm very active on LinkedIn. And if you go to the website and you find the class that you, you want to take, whether it's emotional intelligence or excel, shoot me a message on LinkedIn and I'll send you a code for a free class.

00:29:06:11 - 00:29:26:22
Mike O'Neill
Oh, what a great offer. It's on LinkedIn that you and I first crossed paths. So again, thank you. I want to thank you. And I want to give a big shout out to the subscribers for tuning in. And I hope that this discussion provides you with insights to help you get unstuck. And on target.

00:29:27:24 - 00:29:31:24
Mike O'Neill
Thank you for joining us for this episode of Get Unstuck and on Target.

00:29:32:01 - 00:29:52:14
Mike O'Neill
I hope you gain insights to help you lead with competence and drive your organization forward. Remember it, Bench builders. We're committed to your success, your leadership excellence, and your strategic growth. If you've enjoyed our conversation today, please leave a review rate and subscribe to keep up with our latest episode.

00:29:52:23 - 00:29:56:23
Mike O'Neill
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Mike O'Neill
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00:30:00:19 - 00:30:07:24
Mike O'Neill
Until next time, I encourage you to stay. Focus on the target and continue to break new ground on your leadership path.