Ep180 Patricia Cyr Watlington & Dr. Anany G. Prosper - Haiti's invisible crisis: The truth behind child malnutrition

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
there is actually 1000 days after a child is born MC that you can literally affect their IQ with proper nutrition. And that's why our target audience is five years old and under.

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Mike O'Neill
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Mike O'Neill
Joining me are Patricia Watlington and Doctor Anthony Prosper, better known as Doctor Anthony. They are key leaders of the nonprofit Children's nutrition program Haiti. Patricia is their executive director and Doctor Anthony is their country director. Welcome, Patricia and doctor Nanny.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
Thank you so much, Mike. We're so delighted to be here with you.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
Thank you for inviting us.

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Mike O'Neill
We're going to deviate from our norm with this episode, and we're going to do so for a couple reasons. One, I only recently learned of this organization while attending an International Business Council event in which, both Doctor Anthony and Patricia were in attendance. And it was then that conversation that I kind of was learning a little bit more about their organization.

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Mike O'Neill
But here's what prompted me to invite them on the podcast. Namely, yes, we're going to talk about the horrendous challenges in Haiti, but I'm also want to be able, in this conversation to give our viewers and listeners some sense of how they have worked closely to overcome those challenges, but understand the challenges are big. Let me set the stage.

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Mike O'Neill
I did not know this, but 1 in 5 Haitian children, they're chronically malnourished and even more sadly, 1 in 14 Haitian children die before their 55th birthday, rather, and that's sobering. And so may I read if I can. And that is it, reads the Children's Nutrition Program Haiti seeks to reduce childhood mortality and morbidity and improve the nutritional status of children and women through three primary types of interventions community mobilization and empowerment, growth monitoring and health promotion, and therapeutic and clinical care.

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Mike O'Neill
Now, that's a lot to unpack, but what I wanted Bell to do in this conversation is first highlight just the the what is now a multi generational challenge in Haiti. So why don't we start with that. The issues that are happening in Haiti, these are not new are they.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
Unfortunately they're not new. Might they've been going on for a very long time. And sadly, the nation of Haiti, has been the recipient of an awful lot of crises through the years. Some they cause themselves, some that were caused on them by other nations, including our own. and so it's been a very, very sad history, for the people of Haiti.

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Mike O'Neill
Patricia, you were born in Maine, live in Chattanooga, Tennessee. What is it about this that caught your attention and captured your heart? Why? Or have you said yes to be the executive director of this organization?

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
Good question. Mike. I was actually born in Canada nine years ago. My cousin actually graduated from engineering school and moved fresh out of college to Haiti. And I thought, what a strange move that is. He could have had job opportunities all over the world. And so that kind of piqued my interest to some degree. But I guess what really, was interesting for me is I happened to move next door to the founder of the Children's nutrition program of Haiti, and he's a big Tennessee fan, was a football player for Tennessee.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
he's an interesting person all in himself. He was born in a family of seven children to mute, deaf and dumb parents. They were, well, you know, and two sets of twins. Mitch was one of the twins. Anyway, he would tell me about this program, and I happened. My first language is French, French Canadian. And I happened to be asking him a lot of questions.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
And one day he said, Tricia, you need to go to Haiti with us. And I had a nursing background, very brief nursing background, doing private duty. But so I took him on his offer and we went. And that was the end of that. I went and saw these children who literally have nothing, and yet they're the happiest, smallest little children.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
I just couldn't get over it. It really struck me, that they had so little and yet were so joyful. And why was that? And so that's sort of what, touch my heart strings. And the rest is history.

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Mike O'Neill
Doctor Anthony, you were born in Haiti, as I understand.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
That is correct.

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Mike O'Neill
and what I understand is you have experienced first hand, these natural and man made disasters. in what way did that kind of influence your choice to go into medicine? And more importantly, it's not just medicine, but medicine on scale.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
Yes. Growing up in Haiti and being part of this society, and I was looking at what is the best way that I could put myself available, for my brothers and sister. And believe it or not, when I was 15, 16, I was thinking to go to the priest to be a priest. I'd say, and then later on and I realized, you know, the medical field, with the support of my mom, we say that's the best choice.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
And it gave me this opportunity to have time. And I've learned from other people to build a system where we can protect the future of the next generation by providing quality health care, but also looking at the anthropological aspect. We have a health care system that can be setting and setup to the need of the local populations.

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Mike O'Neill
There are so many different ways we could take this conversation. What seems to emerge is one, I wanted to make sure that our listeners have an understanding of the challenges that you all are facing every day. For one, you were speaking to me from Chattanooga, Tennessee. You're the country director, doctor nanny. But as I understand, you're restricted from even being in Haiti.

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Mike O'Neill
Why is it you can't go to Haiti right now?

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
Haiti. Face the wave of man made in natural disaster. But for the past two years, we have layers of complications because of the assassination of the president and the failure of the social and economic parameters. So from there, for the past one year and a half, no matter at all, we would like to support Haiti going to Haiti physically become the last to attend in situations.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
Therefore, we rely on the local teams with their knowledge, the capacity and the moral aspect also to accept, to take the challenge to where to warn the organizations. So that's why I find myself as an as the country director to be running the program at a distance for the past one year and a half. It is not easy, but our missions is to make sure there is a sense of ownership from the local populations.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
They feel that, and they know they have a voice on the overall missions. And because of this, to us, good relationship, the community and the local leaders become the first line of our protections. And on the decision making process, they have a voice. And this help us to continue to deliver the good quality healthcare services.

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Mike O'Neill
They there are lessons right now for us as leaders right now. And that is you've got several challenges that we are all going to be able to touch on a little bit. One of them is awareness of the problem. And Patricia, we spoke off line, is that, here in the States, we see. But we forget so quickly.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
Very true. And, you know, I shared with you earlier, we had massive thunderstorms here in Tennessee last night and in Alabama, and we have resources driving here this morning. There are fire trucks there, the telephone trucks there, police officers. There are people taking care of the issues. They're moving the trees that fall and so on and so forth.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
In Haiti, there are no resources. And, you know, one of the touching things for me to watch Doctor Anani through the years is, you know, your listeners can understand that since Covid, lots of people worked remotely, but try to keep the morale up with a team of people that are living a nightmare in Haiti is really an amazing challenge.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
And so many of our workers who've been with us for 25 years or more, oftentimes show up, risked their own lives to reach these children suffering from malnutrition and are not getting paid because the banks in the capital, port au Prince, are not able to get the money to them. So that's a real telling thing. so I guess more importantly, I think what what what really we can take away from all of this is the human spirit.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
Haitians are tremendously resilient. I did not know there until I took my first trip there. And there's a real community feeling there. They take care of each other. They take care of their children. If you see your child doing something wrong, they take care of it right then and there. and so that has kept the Haitian people aloft.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
It kept them alive. But right now, honestly, this is probably the worst in the history of Haiti that they ever lived. It's worse than the earthquake they experienced in 2010 where almost 300,000 people were killed. Imagine that. Oh, so little resources. It's worse than that. Now, the humanitarian crisis. There is even worse than that.

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Mike O'Neill
You know, I don't know if it's appropriate. I don't want any way to jeopardize y'all's efforts. But what I understand about the circumstance is that there is, political unrest. And there, are the challenges of of gains, not 1 or 2, but dozens of gains. And then I'm also understanding is Haiti is not a large country, but the main city, the main port is port au Prince.

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Mike O'Neill
And as am I correct, I understand that when port au Prince is basically overrun with gangs, it basically cuts off a lot of the ability, Doctor Noni, to be able to get your products. If you're bring it from the outside of the country into the country.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
Yes, this is the logistical challenge at to step outside of the country, to have companies that accept to ship to Haiti. It takes time to find that. Secondly, when you finally have a company that accept to ship to Haiti, they have to go through protocols. The fact that port au Prince was essentially a place for the public administrations, it created liability for every.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
He caught up in an in port au Prince, the negative wave touched the other 10 million people. And this is exactly what we are facing, even to have the Medici and the antibiotics and the AbbVie fleet. It used to take us like a good two months to order it from outside. To which what happens in Leogane where we want, but currently only to negotiate to have that.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
It's more than six months and it in-country port always to our area which was 20 hours delivery timetables. Now it took us two weeks. Why? Because there is to know mental length between once and where we are. It's only 30 miles, but we cannot get. So, all we managed to do that. We are the missions and we cannot provide a long term impact without to make sure the package of health care services we upgrade the, take into account the need of the local people.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
So because of that, thanks God, we are able to work with the local community and they help us with third party to have our shipment from port au Prince to Loca. So in other words, our first line of defense and the group of people who protect us, it is the community that we are working with and we are working for, if I can put it that way.

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Mike O'Neill
Well said. Thank you. Patricia, you about to say something?

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
Well, I was just going to say that, you know, the bad actors. Mike in port au Prince, port au Prince has a population of about a million and a half people. And the majority of those gangs are located there. But you have another 10 million people, the rest of the country that are suffering. They have nothing to do with what's happening in the capital.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
And so that's the struggle. That's the challenge. And, you know, you could just say, oh, I'm just going to close my eyes and forget that it even is happening. But, you know, port au Prince and Haiti, the country of Haiti is so close to our shores. It's it's not across the other side of the world. It's so close to our shores and that's that's telling.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
And that's concerning as well. And so we do everything we possibly can to be able to reach these children that are suffering.

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Mike O'Neill
I hate to say it the way it's going to come out, but it starts with having the funds necessary to do this. And, Patricia, I know you're the executive director, but it would seem to me that you're primarily tasked with one creating awareness that this problem has not gone away. In fact, it's gotten worse. What are the challenges have you faced in trying to keep that awareness in front of your existing donors and trying to attract new donors when this problem is not?

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Mike O'Neill
Well, short lived. It's multi-generational.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
Very good point. You know, it's it's difficult, as we all know, to try to paint a picture of a place and the people. If you've never experienced or been there, it's very difficult. That applies to everything in life. You know, you can relate to things you've experienced. And so the biggest challenge for us is that we can't physically take you or some listeners to Haiti to see what our operations are all about.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
Why do we do what we do? How do we do it? What's the purpose of it? What's the end result? And so forth. So trying to paint that picture for our partners and our supporters who have not been there is a very difficult challenge, especially when you're trying to raise funds. that's probably the number one most difficult part for me because I've been there so, so many times and I understand.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
And when I go to sleep at night, put my head on the pillow, those pictures of those children, they just don't go away. I know that they're depending on us, and we're the only game in town there right now. And we know if we pull out what's going to happen to these kids. So that's the hard part. And getting the word out.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
We're very small nonprofit, located right here in Chattanooga in fact, we're having a walkathon here, Mother's Day weekend to be able to expand the the breadth of what we are doing. And yeah, we're right here. We've been here for almost 26 years.

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Mike O'Neill
So you you've got the challenge of getting the word out. But even if there's money coming in, Doctor Anthony, it's not just a money problem you describe. It's a logistics problem on on a huge scale. I don't know if I did the math right, but what I understood is that it takes three times longer to get into a country, what it used to take.

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Mike O'Neill
And if I did the math right, it's almost a tenfold increase in country transit. which is for those out here listening. From a logistics standpoint, we know about what supply chain issues can be, but this is supply chain challenges on a scale. I'm just I can't fathom what you'll deal with on a daily basis.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
And the determination, if I could just say plug something in about Doctor Noni, I'll just quickly tell you. Plumpy nut is a ready to use therapeutic food that is a critical, critical part of our program. And that is what we use for children that are malnourished, severely or

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
acutely. But the medical complications that are not kicked in yet.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
And so it's a very important part. Well, we knew at the beginning of this year that we were going to have a tough time getting that plumpy nut, and we just needed to get

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
stocked up on it because these children will will die without it. So a nanny was smart enough to not even tell me what he was going through morning, noon and night in the middle of the night, trying to get this stuff delivered.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
What would normally take about two days from port au Prince, which is 30 miles from the Legon region where we are, took three weeks. But what it took was unbelievable. It was dangerous. They use the people that were on the ground that are sort of their little, I don't know what you would call them, their little angels, really.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
that know who we are. They know what we do. They know we saved these children's lives. And so they said, okay, we have a window between 2:00 and 430 in the morning. And so they picked up the plump peanut in port au Prince. They brought it. Then there were two road blocks into two little towns there. There's no way you could get through.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
So this, these group, they didn't work for us. They just know where we are. They decided to rent a boat. There was no dock. So imagine these people carrying 50 pound boxes on their heads. They're in water up to their chests. No docks. Trying to transport the boxes of Plumpy nut onto the boat. They finally, in the dark, get the boat out in the ocean.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
Well, as Nani said to me, the gangs were in charge of the sea that day. So they turn around, come back, try again two days later with the same boat. Finally, three weeks later, every bit of that plumping up was delivered to Leogane. And now our health care workers are the one that deliver it. And that's another challenge.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
But what I'm saying is the determination. They don't quit. They don't give up. and if there's anything to be learned, it's that, that tenacity that you just don't quit when the going gets tough. And, boy, let me tell you, that's what Haitians represent.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
And the key message about that is all we leave together as a nation, as a nation, we have this sense of positive relationship and divides in anyone that listening to you, listening to this podcast that used to go to eight or or know someone that used to travel to Haiti, they are always talking about this personal experience they had as a human being laid.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
They said that you go there and you realize, oh, leave with people can bring you joy. When you do an action and you see the positive impact of this action on the life of the people in front of you, you realize how good it can be when you team up and you get stuff done. When learned that earlier in our life in Haiti, because we do not have the social network, it is the community that support you, your neighbors, your uncle, your aunt.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
So when we build a program, we pay attention that outcome at the community level we have, we have those Uncle and Ed that can get us to put on a technical language. This is what some people will call Open-Source intelligence. Or is this? And this is what we do love the community, but they do it naturally because they want to heroes.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
Why? They want to help? Because they realize that we are not a project that come for two years and we close. What we are doing at on the long run is beneficial for their grandchildren, for their cousin living in the countryside. And they said, God, we would help you to make sure you have the BDC and the Plumpy node that you need to cause the no man's land.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
It's a mission.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
It's a mission. I wanted to mention that to go back on the logistic challenge, let me repeat some of the metrics for the audience. 20% of chronic malnutrition, 2 to 5% of acute and severe malnutrition. Of the chart below five years old, its mean on building the next generation. It is a marathon. At like zero. We move 25% of the population that could help us.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
It is a really bad and another aspect for the audience. When you see there an acute malnutrition, you lost your IQ even if we saved you physically. But those child might not be fit to learn algebra two and become the next expert that will push eight. So what we are doing is to make sure as much as we can, with the support, with the love and the time of people living here in the US and other places in the world, or we are setting up the table in another way where we give equal opportunity to everyone and not to remove 25% online.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
Here I wanted to mention that.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
Because there is actually 1000 days after a child is born MC that you can literally affect their IQ with proper nutrition. And that's why our target audience is five years old and under.

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Mike O'Neill
Yes, as I am listening to your I'm, I'm reminded so many other challenges that you all have worked to overcome. As we begin to kind of wrap up this conversation and put kind of these things in perspective. What would you want to make sure that our viewers and our listeners have as their takeaways.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
That, you know, all people have basic, common needs and that a child, when a child is born, we to truly believe that it has a right, a God given right to make it to five years old and beyond, and that's what we're trying to accomplish.

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Mike O'Neill
Doctor Nani, what would you like to offer his closing thoughts or takeaways.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
The future of any society is based on on what you take care of the woman and the children. when you're looking at the end of development, human development, the component that looking at the care for the woman and the children is practically half of those indicators. So my message is. By having the support, the time and the knowledge of our supporters, they can help us to look at the underlying causes of that problem in Haiti and help us to build a long term system that will change the course of the life of the millions of people live in Haiti.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
The result will not be immediate in 12 to 2 years. But when we, put in those building blocks and keep laws in place, I'm quite sure after ten years we will see what is happened. Just be patient, accompany house with locally based organizations and we will have some very positive and good outcome in the life of those people.

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Mike O'Neill
I think both of you have made it clear to me this this is not the short game, this is the long game. And what you have to do is build on what works. I don't know if I heard this correctly, but some of the takeaways I have thus far is that if outsiders come in to help, it's just that it's outsiders coming in.

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Mike O'Neill
But if Haitians are helping Haitians and you have. Not only that, but you've got an employee base who are in that helping profession, which is very, very challenging to be help, help, help in and deal with the challenges they have. But by Haitians helping Haitians, it gives them a sense of we're part of the solution. There is hope.

00:26:53:05 - 00:27:30:04
Mike O'Neill
And what I'm hearing loud and clear is that you have to be looking enough in advance. This is not a 90 day crisis. This is not a nine month crisis. This is a multi year crisis that with consistent awareness, with consistent support and with consistent execution. The challenge and this is way I understand the quote. Did you have your current mission read help raise a healthy generation of Haitian children who can in turn raise Haiti from poverty.

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Mike O'Neill
All right. Very, very powerful. Before we wrap up, I would like to ask our listeners a question. Now, I am to change the topic a little bit. But the question is, you ever wonder why people follow your lead? Is that an obligation, or is it because they truly believe in your vision? With extensive experience in HR, leadership, and executive coaching, I've seen firsthand that the essence of leadership is clarity and confidence.

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Mike O'Neill
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Mike O'Neill
Patricia and Doctor Anthony, thank you for sharing your expertise and your passion with us today.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
Thank you Michael. God bless you for having us. We truly enjoyed the time. Thank you.

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Dr. Anany G. Prosper
Thank you.

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Mike O'Neill
Now, Patricia, I'll ask you if listeners want to learn more about your organization. What's the best way for them to reach out?

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
Yes. Well, there's a few different ways they can come right here. Visit us in Chattanooga. We're in 1401 William Street in Chattanooga. you'll see our logos in the window. Stop in, say hello. We'll show you what we do. Or they can call us (423) 495-1122. That's (423) 495-1122. Or better yet, go to our website which is dot c n ping haiti.org that c np haiti.org.

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Mike O'Neill
Excellent. Thank you both.

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Patricia Cyr Watlington
Thank you my dentist been a delight. Thank you so much. God bless you.

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Mike O'Neill
I also want to thank our subscribers for joining us, and I hope you have picked up on some quick wins from both Patricia and Doctor Anthony. They want to help you get unstuck and on target.

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Mike O'Neill
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